Zaczynamy!

27 października, 2008

Witaj. Mam na imię Wojtek i konkretne marzenie, które wykiełkowało w głowie dawno temu, kiedy to jako pacholę niesforne budowałem szałasy i tipi. Pomysł odżył i wrócił jak bumerang z mocą, która nawet mnie zdziwiła ;)

Celem projektu Open Shelter jest opracowywanie w duchu Open Source projektu(ów) małych, ekologicznych, ekonomicznych, prefabrykowanych domków/habitatów.

Wypracujmy prosty, efektywny, tani i dizajnerski projekt (lub kilka projektów) których dokumentacja będzie otwarta i ogólnie dostępna.

Pojęcie "otwartości" jest szeroko rozpowszechnione w branży IT. Oznacza ono ni mniej ni więcej to, że KnowHow projektu jest dostępne dla każdego, można tworzyć własne modyfikacje, hybrydy oraz korzystać z wiedzy społeczności zgromadzonej wokół tego projektu.

  1. Cechy habitatu:
  2. Powierzchnia do 30 m^2
  3. Prostota i szybkość budowy
  4. Wykorzystanie materiałów ekologicznych, nieprzetworzonych, naturalnych
  5. Niska cena!
  6. Intrygujący design

Czym dla mnie jest habitat? To po prostu Osobiste miejsce w przestrzeni, a mniej ogólnie to rodzaj mieszkalnego szałasu XXI wieku.

  1. Nasz habitat powinien zapewnić:
  2. Własny kąt do pracy
  3. Miejsce relaksu i odpoczynku
  4. Dodatkowe miejsce do spania dla nieoczekiwanej chmary znajomych ;)
  5. Miejsce "imprez"
  6. Kilkudniowe schronienie

Nie ważne, że nie jesteś architektem (ja też nie ;) lub inżynierem. Jeśli masz pomysł i chęci przyłącz się do projektu.

Zobacz też, co mnie zainspirowało klikając w linki ten, ten, ten oraz ten ;)





Jesteśmy dziećmi informatyki, potrafimy odnaleźć się w nowych sytuacjach, a za pomocą dostępnych darmowych narzędzi (SketchUp, GIMP,inkscape) możemy kreować rzeczywistość wokół nas.

Zapraszam Cię do współtworzenia OpenShelter

Jeśli masz jakieś uwagi, przemyślenia lub pytania zapraszam do dyskusji.

Pozdrawiam

p.s platforma komunikacyjna projektu jest w trakcie tworzenia

Komentarze do wpisu "Zaczynamy!":

1. Voronwe napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 10:49:44

Przyznam, że dla mnie brzmi zarąbiście ciekawie, tylko ciekawy jestem jak to realizować w praktyce...

2. Shoovi napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 14:40:00

Voronwe witaj na naszym blogu.
Cieszę się, że zainteresował Cię projekt OpenShelter.

Jeśli chodzi o sprawy techniczne, czyli "jak to realizować w praktyce" to mam pewną koncepcję, którą właśnie realizuję.

Pierwszym etapem jest na pewno ten blog na jogger.pl gdzie możemy się poznać i dzielić informacjami oraz pomysłami.

Jeśli masz jakiś pomysł, albo wątpliwości to zapraszam do dyskusji.

Pozdrawiam

Wojtek

3. kuba napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 16:34:53

Wojtek, brzmi bardzo fajnie! Podobne rzeczy juz dzialaja w swiecie - http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/cameron_sinclair_on_open_source_architecture.html
wiec mam nadzieje, ze i Tobie sie uda! Trzymam kciuki.

4. Shoovi napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 16:59:14

Kuba witaj na blogu i dzięki za link. Na pewno wyciągnę z niego cenne wnioski (przy okazji polecam wszystkim ucztę wystąpień na www.TED.com i www.poptech.com)

Dasz wiarę, że tego nie widziałem/wiedziałem? ;)

Dziękuję Ci za dobre słowo pozwól, że lekko je zmodyfikuję „Wierzę, że i Nam się uda”.
Zapraszam do czynnego udziału w projekcie.

Pozdrawiam

Wojtek

5. skx napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 17:28:49

> Własny kąt do pracy
> Miejsce relaksu i odpoczynku
> Dodatkowe miejsce do spania dla nieoczekiwanej
> chmary znajomych ;)
> Miejsce "imprez"
> Kilkudniowe schronienie

Nie wiem czy da radę na 30m^2

6. grandstapler napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 18:36:49

No super! podoba mi sie ten pomysł.
w punkcie 4 "Dodatkowe miejsce do spania dla nieoczekiwanej chmary znajomych " proponuję miejsca do spania "plaster miodu"znany z Japonii.

7. rozie napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 19:08:33

Bardzo fajny projekt. Uwaga tylko na wspomniane w którymś linku prawo budowlane. Co z podłączeniem mediów? Prąd rozumiem planowany, woda i kanalizacja - nie, czyli do pracy tak (tylko jak jest ciepło, czy całoroczne ma być?), do mieszkania nie?

8. nika napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 20:05:27

(Komentarz zmodyfikowany 28.10.2008 o 20:42)

Dobry pomysł się liczy -> ciekawy i twórczy:) możemy zaprojektować swój własny domek (kąt), w którym bedziemy mogli robić co chcemy:)....

:P

9. Shoovi napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 20:11:01

skx, grandstapler, rozie: Witajcie na blogu projektu OpenShelter,
Dziękuję Wam bardzo za komentarze.

skx: Wg. mnie z dobrze wykorzystanej powierzchni można "wycisnąć" wiele radości ;) Po za tym myślę, że dobrze zaprojektowany habitat można zestawiać w "kolonię", dlatego też na Twoje pytanie odpowiem przekornie: - dlaczego nie? ;)

grandstapler: To ciekawe co napisałeś. Rozwiń temat, może masz jakiś ciekawy link? Pamiętaj jednak proszę, że stosowane rozwiązania nie mogą negatywnie wpłynąć na cenę całości.
Przy okazji myślę, że dotknąłeś ważnej sprawy podpatrywania przyrody. Zdecydowanie jestem za tym aby wzorować się na Naturze.

rozie: Poruszyłeś/łaś bardzo ważne kwestie. Już odpowiadam:

Ad. prawo budowlane - z tego co wiem w Polsce można postawić budowlę nie przekraczającą 30m^2 bez pozwolenia na budowę. Należy jedynie zgłosić takowy projekt do odpowiedniego urzędu (UWAGA! Jeśli jest tu jakiś fachowiec od prawa budowlanego prosimy o ewentualną korektę gdyz mogę się mylić)

Ad. prąd - owszem przewiduję, najlepiej z odnawialnych źródeł. Myślę, że kombinowane rozwiązania oparte o energię wiatru i słońca mogły by się sprawdzić najlepiej. Mówimy tutaj raczej o podładowaniu komórki, laptopa, iPod'a itd. niż o ogrzewaniu elektrycznym ;)

Ad. woda - myślałem o zbiorniku na deszczówkę plus ewentualne kondensowanie z mgły.

Ad. czy całoroczne/czy do mieszkania - myślę, że to jest otwarta kwestia charakteryzująca zarówno projekt jak i samego użytkownika. Uważam, że jest możliwe zaprojektowania dobrze izolowanego habitatu zdolnego funkcjonować w zimie.


Pamiętajcie proszę, że tak na prawdę są to tylko moje mniej lub bardziej błędne przemyślenia ;) tak więc zachęcam Was do dyskusji.

Jak Ty byś odpowiedział(a) na w/w pytania?

Pamiętajcie, mamy dowolność w kreacji, najważniejsze to dobrze określić wymagania stawiane przyszłym habitatom.

Może powstanie kilka projektów?

Może ktoś z Was "pójdzie" w habitaty relaksacyjne, może na przykład Ty przejmiesz już jakiś istniejący projekt i zmodyfikujesz go pod innym kątem? (np. wykożystania przez dzieci)

Jestem bardzo podekscytowany jak to się rozwinie.

Pozdrawiam i zachęcam do twórczej dyskusji

Wojtek

10. flegmatyk napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 20:30:37

Ciekawe, co z tego będzie.

Przydatne chociażby na wypasioną altankę na działkę ;)

11. Shoovi napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 20:37:34

nika, flegmatyk: Witajcie na blogu.

nika: co wg. Ciebie jest "ciekawym i twórczym" projektem? Pamiętaj(my) o funkcjonalności, która nie zawsze idzie w parze z tym co napisałaś.

flegmatyk: też jestem bardzo ciekawy! Może masz jakiś pomysł którym chciałbyś się podzielić? Swoją droga masz ciekawy nick ;)

12. sl3dziu napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 22:16:12

@Shoovi: nie witaj tak wszystkich ^^

Pomysł wydaje mi się całkiem oryginalny, i o ile koncepcyjnie wydaje się świetny, ale coś czuję że z wykonawstwem nie będzie tak różowo. Zwłaszcza że jak sam przyznałeś nie macie pojęcia o podstawach projektowania i budownictwa. Ale życzę jak najlepiej :)

Co do stawiania budynków bez zezwolenia to postaram się nieco na uczelni dowiedzieć, bo zainteresowała mnie ta kwestia.

13. Shoovi napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 22:38:30

sl3dziu: gorąco witam na blogu i zapraszam do wspólnego kreowania przestrzeni. Ładnie i "zdrowo" jest się przywitać ;)

Bardzo możliwe, że Twoje przeczucia są uzasadnione... w obecnej chwili uzasadnione ;)
Zauważ proszę, że projekt jak i sam blog istnieją raptem kilkanaście godzin, a już mamy ciekawy feedback. Ja zakładam, że trafi się niejeden specjalista z pasją - Ty?! - Myślę też, że każdy może spróbować swoich sił.

Jeśli chodzi o kwestie prawne, to jeśli dotrzesz do ciekawych informacji będę wdzięczny za info.

Pozdrawiam

Wojtek

14. sl3dziu napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 23:00:02

Akurat moje umiejętności (albo raczej ich chwilowy brak) raczej wykluczają jakąś konkretniejszą pomoc (zwłaszcza że angażuję się w innym projekcie), ale w kwestii ustawodawstwa budowlanego trochę się zorientuję i jeśli się czegoś sensownego dowiem to przekażę :)

15. Shoovi napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 23:07:10

sl3dziu: Chwała Ci za pomoc prawną - z góry dzięki ;)

16. wh1t3en napisał(a):
28 października 2008, 23:47:13

Oj to chyba pierwszy jogg na którym autor wita "starszych", a nie "starsi" autora... Interesujące, jednak trochę PRowe...
("starsi" - ci którzy są już jogger membersami).

Co do projektu, bardzo, bardzo, bardzo dobry pomysł. Tylko problem polega na tym, czy to nie jest słomiany zapał? Ile pieniędzy chciałbyś przeznaczyć na taką zabawkę (to chyba dość ważne, w procesie projektowania).

Co do "ekologicznych, nieprzetworzonych, naturalnych" to ja bym to pominął, jeśli ma być tanio...

Ogólnie to popieram, witam, śledzę i mam nadzieję, że wrzucę do tej zabawy swoje 0.03 złotego.

17. rozie napisał(a):
29 października 2008, 06:32:21

Shoovi: z ekologicznym prądem bym uważał. Z tego co się orientuję, to tanie nie jest. A dokładniej, ma długi okres zwrotu. Być może dłuższy od czasu życia habitatu. No i zwraca się przy normalnym wykorzystaniu. W przypadku podładowania lapka (jakieś 40W pewnie) okres ten będzie jeszcze dłuższy... Może warto zrobić wersję uniwersalną - instalacja wewnętrzna z wyprowadzonym podłączeniem zarówno tradycyjnego prądu, jak i źródeł odnawialnych? Mogło by rozwiązać problem ogrzewania/dogrzewania.

Podobnie z wodą - jeśli ma to służyć do mieszkania/całorocznie, to wymagana byłaby woda pitna, a o stabilne źródło takiej z deszczówki raczej ciężko (pomijam, czy w ogóle się do picia nadaje).

Ogólnie architektonicznie projekt jest _trochę_ zbliżony do niektórych domów w Christianii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania). Na pewno warto rzucić okiem na tamtejszą architekturę.

18. Shoovi napisał(a):
29 października 2008, 13:58:38

wh1t3en: Niniejszym przywituję ;) cię na tym blogu, dziękuję za dobre słowo i gratuluję czujności (Ad. PR), proszę Cię też dopatruj się podwójnej moralności i drugiego dna informacyjnego tam gdzie jest to nagminne czyli w TV, radio, wyborczej i większości reklam. Powitanie to normalna sprawa, pierwszy kontakt, pierwsza "relacja" ;) między osobami.

Ja bardzo się cieszę z każdego nowego komentarza, jest to też mocna informacja zwrotna, że Projekt OpenShelter wzbudza emocja i dociera do wyobraźni.

Zadałeś bardzo konkretne pytania za co Ci dziękuję i już odpowiadam.

Ad.finanse - w chwili obecnej mogę odpowiedzieć ogólnie. Otóż myślę, że realizacja podstawowego projektu (zakładam, że będzie ich więcej) nie powinna przekroczyć kilku tysięcy złotych, a po "lekturze" wystąpienia Camerona Sinclair'a z linka zamieszczonego przez Kubę w komentarzu nr 3 widać, że można jeszcze taniej...co cieszy.

Ad. zapał - jest cały zbiornik ;)

Ad. materiały – ziemia, kamienie są tanie i powszechnie dostępne. Jeśli masz jakieś przemyślenia na temat materiałów i/lub technologii to zapraszam do dyskusji, jestem bardzo Ciekawy innych punktów widzenia.

Zapraszam do śledzenia i namawiam do aktywności! Czekam na kolejne 3gr ;) albo i więcej.

rozie: To ciekawe co piszesz. Christiania to niewątpliwie wyjątkowe przedsięwzięcie, chociaż do mnie bardziej przemawia propozycja z Japonii

Zastanawiam się czy jednak nie idziemy krok za daleko w naszych rozważaniach, czy powinniśmy rozdzielić pojęcie habitatu od mieszkalnego "normalnego" domku? Myślę, że zdecydowanie tak.

Jeśli chodzi o ogniwa fotowoltaiczne, to sytuacja poprawia się z roku na rok. Jest coraz więcej tanich, nowoczesnych technologii pozyskiwania energii elektrycznej z promieniowania słonecznego. Ceny paneli w USA też są konkurencyjne. Np. 60W/12V panel za ok $300 to niezła cena wg. mnie. Zerknij Tutaj i Tutaj

Budowa prostej turbiny wiatrowej technologicznie też nie jest dużym problemem.

Swoją drogą muszę się przyznać, że wziąłem udział w konkursie Google 10^100 właśnie z pomysłem prostego sposobu pozyskiwania energii elektrycznej z ruchu drzew na wietrze. Zobaczymy co z tego wyniknie ;)

Napisałeś "(...)Może warto zrobić wersję uniwersalną - instalacja wewnętrzna z wyprowadzonym podłączeniem zarówno tradycyjnego prądu, jak i źródeł odnawialnych? (...)"

Zdecydowanie też tak uważam. Elastyczność to podstawa. Chciałbym jednak na początek skupić się na samej konstrukcji/wyglądzie habitatu(ów).

Piszesz "(...)Podobnie z wodą - jeśli ma to służyć do mieszkania/całorocznie(...)".

No właśnie zastanawiam się czy o to chodzi?
Zakładam, że ktoś może potrzebować habitatu "przydomowego", ktoś inny natomiast substytut namiotu, albo przyczepy, dlatego też trudno jest mi teraz mówić o instalacjach.

A co Ty/Wy o tym sądzisz/sądzicie?

Dzięki za cenne komentarze.

Zapraszam do dyskusji i Zabawy :)

Pozdrawiam serdecznie

Wojtek

19. Feanor napisał(a):
29 października 2008, 19:15:14

Witam.
Pomysł bardzo ciekawy, zastanawiam się, czy coś z tego wyjdzie i życzę projektowi jak najlepiej.:)

Osobiście myślę, że dopływ wody i kanalizacja są raczej konieczne do wygody użytkowania. Ciężko jest mieszkać, nawet przez kilka dni bez możliwości normalnego wzięcia prysznicu i ogólnie załatwienia potrzeb higieny.

Ekologiczne źródła - myślę, że to by się nie opłacało, jak już wspomnieli poprzednicy. I tak koszty oświetlenia i ewentualnego ogrzania tak maleńkiego mieszkanka będą bardzo niewielkie.

Co do ewentualnego ogrzewania, to myślę, że można by się zastanowić nad realizacją tego poprzez prosty kominek lub piecyk. Nie dość, że bardzo miłe, to z pewnością znakomicie ogrzeje tak niewielką przestrzeń przy stosunkowo niewielkim zużyciu drewna/węgla. A może by się udało przez odpowiednie poprowadzenie rurek, ekologicznie zrealizować ogrzewanie wody w zimie?

Ściany może udało by się jakoś zrealizować w postaci drewnianych rusztowań, obitych czymś z obu stron i wypełnionych jakimś styropianem/wełną mineralną, czy czymś takim?

20. Noaidi napisał(a):
30 października 2008, 08:33:29

Siemanko koledzy i koleżanki ;-)
Pomysł pierwsza klasa!! Sam myślałem o stworzeniu podobnego już długi czas... właśnie jestem na ostatniej prostej z portalem biobudowlanym cohabitat.net ktory mial byc platformą dla m.in. tego typu inicjatyw... chętnie zahostuje ten zamiast stworzyć nowy...dobrze by było umieścić tę zajawkę w dobrym kontekście... jesli shoovi się zgodzisz. Ot taka propozycja. :-)

Jestem studentem architektury, moją pasją są domy z materiałów naturalnych drewno, słoma, glina.. budynki off-grid, prospołecznościowa urbanistyka (cohousing, ecovillage). Duch open-source jest mi niezwykle bliski...

Zaprojektowalem dwa domy w tych technologiach, będą realizowane w 2009..troche zatem liznąłem z każdej branży...mysle ze bede przydatny w Open-Shelter.

Co do budowania bez pozwolenia, określa to Prawo Budowlane Art. 29. 1 ( http://www.lex.pl/serwis/du/2003/2016.htm ) czyli :
"a) parterowych budynków gospodarczych o powierzchni zabudowy do 35 m2, przy rozpiętości konstrukcji nie większej niż 4,80 m,"
przy czym od niedawna są "niewielkie" zmiany o ktorych mozecie przeczytać tutaj : http://www.muratorplus.pl/biznes/prawo-unijne/prawo/__---zmiany-w-prawie-budowlanym---_,17314_25759.htm

(Sory za te lamerskie linki... nie mam pojęcia jak je wedytować jak wasze)

moje namiary:
p.sroczynskiATekowioska.pl
gg:3083629

21. Shoovi napisał(a):
30 października 2008, 16:08:53

Feanor, Noaidi: Witam serdecznie na naszym blogu i zachęcam do aktywnego uczestnictwa w projekcie OpenShelter.

Feanor: Rzeczywiście sanitariaty są wygodne i potrzebne, jednak ponawiam pytanie i zachęcam do polemiki "czy w tego typu budowli jest to niezbędne?". Zakładam, że habitat można złożyć w ogrodzie za domem - wtedy te problemy odpadają, albo w lesie, w tedy niejako można posłużyć się saperką ;)

Kiedy byłem dzieckiem często jeździłem z rodzicami pod namiot, w tedy o wiele bezpieczniej było skorzystać z "lasu" i wody w rzece ;) ale to tylko taka mała dygresja.
Jeśli chodzi o odnawialne źródła energii to widzę, że mam odmienne zdanie od większości z Was, dlatego wrócę jeszcze do tego tematu w jednym z przyszłych postów.
Napisałeś też o małym piecyku/kominku. Brawo! To bardzo proste i efektywne rozwiązanie. Przyznam szczerze, że wczoraj byłem w jednym z marketów budowlanych i taki "koziołek" kosztuje ok. 350PLN choć przy odrobinie zacięcia można taki kominek postawić samemu.

Jeśli chodzi o ściany i samą konstrukcję to więcej postaram się napisać w następnym poście. Teraz napiszę krótko, że widzę duży potencjał w ścianach powstałych z zasypania kamieniem (otoczakami?) swoistych "koszy ściennych" z drutu lub kto wie może wikliny?

Oczywiście jest to tylko moja propozycja i mam nadzieję, że rozwinie się wokół tego burzliwa dyskusja z dużą dawką konstruktywnej krytyki.
Każdy projekt „lubi” różne spojrzenia na to samo wyzwanie spotykające się w jednym miejscu. To swoista próba sił różnych koncepcji. Już się nie mogę doczekać ;)
Noaidi: Siemanko! :) Portal biobudowlany? Brzmi naprawdę interesująco. Gratuluję "podjęcia rękawicy" ;) Cieszą mnie Twoje słowa, ponieważ to oznacza, że ludzi z inicjatywą jest w Polsce wielu. Twoje projekty domów bardzo mi się podobają, a to siedlisko z roślinami na dachu jest cool ;) (takie norweskie)

Dziękuję serdecznie za ofertę "hostowania", czy możesz napisać dokładniej co rozumiesz mówiąc, że "chętnie zahostuje ten zamiast stworzyć nowy...". Czy to oznacza, że masz odpowiednią platformę komunikacyjną? Jeśli tak, to czy możesz powiedzieć czy jest ona oparta o jakiś popularny silnik czy jest napisana od podstaw? Możesz przybliżyć kluczowe funkcjonalności?
Jak już pisałem, jestem w trakcie projektowania takowej platformy dla naszego projektu. O tym też powstaje post, który będzie miał za zadanie przedstawić mój punkt widzenia i cechy przyszłej platformy komunikacyjnej. Również mam nadzieję na owocną dyskusję związaną z przyjętymi założeniami funkcjonalnymi.
Wracając do Twojej propozycji to myślę, aby na razie zostać na jogger.pl który skupia wyjątkową społeczność. Jeśli natomiast chcesz napisać o OpenShelter na Twojej stronie, lub/i ją podlinkować jako oficjalną zakładkę to "feel free". Niniejszym witam Współprojektanta ;)
Dzięki Ci za cenne informacje prawne i linki do odpowiednich dokumentów.
Nie przejmuj się linkami, wrzucaj jak chcesz, damy radę ;)
Jeszcze raz dziękuję Wszystkim za taki świetny odzew. Jeśli macie jakieś przemyślenia, pomysły lub pytania to piszcie.
Przy okazji moje dane kontaktowe poniżej:
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22. Noaidi napisał(a):
30 października 2008, 16:56:36

Shoovi: moja propozycja hostowania projektu jest otwarta - wszystko zależy do tego co zechcesz przyjąć ;-). Mogę udostępnić subdomenę, miejsce na serwerze..lub jeśli zechcesz silnik strony, który powstał na MODX CMS. Odezwałem się do Ciebie na gg...Daj znac jak bedziesz online...wspuszczę Cię za kulisy, to sam ocenisz czy Ci się to wszystko na coś nada. Projektowałem tę platformę głównie z myślą o budowie nowej społeczności... ludków zainteresowanych tematami jak tu stworzyć sobie bezpieczne, piękne i zdrowie miejsce na Ziemi.

Dzięki za pozytywny feedback a propos mich domków. A w Norwegii jestem zakochany ! ;-)

OpenShelter na bank będzie podlinkowany.

Chcę połączyć siły bo za 2 roczki przyjdzie czas na przeobrażenie się w magazyniera (mgr). Moja praca ma być własnie projektem open-source nt osiedla 30-40 niewielkich domów (4-5 typów, w tym podziemne)...zbudowanego w oparciu o materiały lo-tech (kamień, drewno, słoma, glina, szkło) ale hi-tech w myśleniu o sposobie projektowania (cadwork, Dietrich AG), wykonawstwie (Maszyny ciesielskie CNC, lub żerdzie dla złotych rączek "zrób to sam") energii, społeczności, poszanowaniu krajobrazu etc. Mam spore zaplecze arch-bud...brak mi zaplecza informatycznego - jakby nie patrzeć - dopełniamy się ;-)
Widze w nas tę samą żyłkę pasji tematem ! ;-)

Na smak na koniec, jedna z moich ulubionych inspiracji....
http://www.cohabitat.net/assets/galleries/63/175.jpg

23. Noaidi napisał(a):
30 października 2008, 17:02:43

Shoovi piszesz :
"Jeśli chodzi o ściany i samą konstrukcję to więcej postaram się napisać w następnym poście. Teraz napiszę krótko, że widzę duży potencjał w ścianach powstałych z zasypania kamieniem (otoczakami?) swoistych "koszy ściennych" z drutu lub kto wie może wikliny? "

wrzuć w google images -> gabiony ;-)
a potem wrzuć -> willow dome

gabion+willow dome = ??? ;-)

24. Punisher napisał(a):
01 listopada 2008, 02:02:57

Cześć. http://www.domynawodzie.pl/ - popatrz - projekt nieopłcalny. Warto wymyślić jakiś prosty domek i go wdrożyć na obrzeżu miasta. Licz się z ceną surowców, jeśli wymyślisz coś ciekawego o najpierw ludzie zapytaja o cenę, wygląd i funkcjonalność. To ma racje bytu działania na licencji.

Pisz przemyślenia w kolejnych wpisach jak się tego uzbiera, nie w komentarzach - robi się bałagan. Pozdro

25. Shoovi napisał(a):
01 listopada 2008, 22:07:56

Noaidi: Rewelacyjny ten "Hobbiton" ;) dzięki za link.

Jeśli chodzi o hostowanie to raz jeszcze dziękuję za propozycję, obiecuję to rozważyć.
Bardzo podoba mi się temat Twojej pracy dyplomowej. Proszę pamiętaj, że Open Shelter to mniej zaawansowany technologicznie projekt, choć nie wykluczam, że dobrze zaprojektowany habitat można będzie połączyć w "kolonię".

Wiesz bardzo chciałbym, żeby "przeciętny Kowalski", mógł pracować nad rozwojem istniejącego pomysłu przyłączając się do społeczności lub stać się "project masterem" tworząc od podstaw nowy projekt będąc równocześnie nowym ośrodkiem asocjującym nowych userów itd.
Żeby to osiągnąć, za podstawę uważam przyjazny i łatwy mechanizm komunikacyjny oraz przede wszystkim uproszczoną dokumentację techniczną.

Za dokumentację będzie uważany już dobrze rozrysowany (nie koniecznie ładnie, ale czytelnie) schemat z opisami. O tym jednak napiszę w kolejnych postach.

Dzięki za namiar na gabiony i willow dome, to jest to (nawet nie wiedziałem, że to się tak nazywa ;)

Punisher: Witam gorąco na naszym blogu. Dziękuję za cenne wskazówki i obłędnego linka!

Po kolei:

Ad. www.domynawodzie.pl - rewelacja, czy masz coś wspólnego z tym projektem? Swoją droga krótka notka przeczytana na owej stronie unaocznia jak powszechnie ludzie (Polacy) mają klapki na oczach w kwestii budownictwa mieszkalnego. Jeśli coś nie jest z żelbetu lub pustaków, to nie jest do zamieszkania ;( Bardzo to przykre.

Osobiście z chęcią zamieszkał bym na takim pływającym domku.

Ad. cena - koszty oczywiście są jednym z ważniejszych składników analizy opłacalności każdego przedsięwzięcia

Napisz proszę co miałeś na myśli pisząc "(..)To ma racje bytu działania na licencji(..)"

Ad. kolejność - na razie odpisuję linearnie na komentarze do pierwszego posta.

Jak zapewne się domyślasz ;) zapraszam do aktywności na blogu. Jeśli coś jest niejasne, masz jakieś pytania lub chciałbyś coś dodać to proszę o odpowiedni komentarz.

Serdecznie pozdrawiam

Wojtek

26. Moarc/J-23 napisał(a):
05 listopada 2008, 18:02:47

Nie potrafiłbym żyć w takim dziwacznym tworze :p

27. Shoovi napisał(a):
06 listopada 2008, 10:02:31

Witaj Moarc/J-23. Dzięki za wpis na naszym blogu.

Hmm, pamiętaj proszę nikt nikogo do niczego nie zmusza ;)
Po za tym zdefiniuj proszę pojęcie "dziwaczny" ;)

Pozdrawiam

Wojtek

28. Moarc/J-23 napisał(a):
06 listopada 2008, 10:03:16

Dziwaczny = odstający od odwiecznego kwadratowego domku z lekko spiczastym daszkiem :P

Wolałbym już mieszkać w czymś w stylu Dalego.

29. Shoovi napisał(a):
06 listopada 2008, 10:20:03

Moarc/J-23: Dobrze, że zwróciłeś na to uwagę, ponieważ dzięki temu uświadomiłeś mi, że nie dość jasno wyraziłem się w powyższym wpisie. Zauważ proszę, że Habitaty nad którymi będziemy pracować to nie wielosezonowe domy, czy nawet domy letniskowe. To coś zupełnie innego. Nazwał bym to wielozadaniowym szałasem XXI wieku.

Miejsce odmienne od innych, a już na pewno inne niż domy, budynki w których mieszka większość z nas.

Nie twierdzę, też że jest to pomysł dla każdego. Jeśli Ci się to nie podoba to masz do tego pełne prawo. Szanuję takie podejście na równi z "bardziej entuzjastycznym"... pod warunkiem, że jest szczera ;)

Pozdrawiam

Wojtek

30. Moarc/J-23 napisał(a):
06 listopada 2008, 10:21:31

@Shoovi: Mi się ogólnie nie podoba idea całkowitej minimalizacji domów, robienia domu wszystkowjednym i ograniczania przestrzeni życiowej człowieka. Dla mnie naturalnym działaniem jest ekspansja, czyli na obecnym etapie rozwoju ludzkości podbój planet. Nie jak największe tłoczenie się na Ziemi.

31. Moarc/J-23 napisał(a):
06 listopada 2008, 10:28:17

Hmm, jak się bliżej przyjrzałem pierwszemu projektowi, to pomyślałem, że gdyby zakopać, to w sam raz na mieszkanie dla hobbita. Dlaczego, do cholery, wszystkie te habitaty (polskie słowa są the best - domki, szałasy, co bądź) są takie ciasne?!

32. Shoovi napisał(a):
06 listopada 2008, 10:34:42

Moarc/J-23: Proszę powstrzymaj emocje, na tym blogu nie przeklinamy, na resztę możesz znaleźć odpowiedź w innych komentach do tego wpisu.

33. Moarc/J-23 napisał(a):
06 listopada 2008, 10:35:34

Hihi, niezłe :) "na tym blogu nie przeklinamy" - która grupa w przedszkolu?

34. Voronwe napisał(a):
06 listopada 2008, 10:51:24

@J-23: habitat to jak najbardziej ekspansja. Uwierz mi, że przesiadka z 10-metrowego pokoju do 30-metrowego habitatu byłaby szczytem moich marzeń na chwilę obecną.

W ogóle moją pierwsza wizją po przeczytaniu tego wpisu było coś na kształt osiedla habitatowego z jakimś barakiem centralnym (być może tam miejsce na wspólne sanitariaty?), podciągniętym z niego prądem i internetem. Woda w formie pompy/studni would be enough. Ot, taka wizja ;)

35. Moarc/J-23 napisał(a):
06 listopada 2008, 10:53:13

Ja bym wolał się przesiąść z $@%# mieszkania w bloku do domku jednorodzinnego (jak największego) z duużymi pokojami. Habitat jest dobry najwyżej dla jednej osoby :p

36. Moarc/J-23 napisał(a):
06 listopada 2008, 10:53:34

Tzn. rozumiem, że chodzi o taki jakby "wolnostojący pokój".

37. sl3dziu napisał(a):
06 listopada 2008, 12:23:41

Moarc: Tak. Choć bardziej sensowne było by porównanie go chyba do nieco większej altanki ogrodowej. Używanej raczej okazyjnie do rozrywki niż do stałego zamieszkania.

38. Noaidi napisał(a):
06 listopada 2008, 14:44:31

Podbój planet a to dobre :-))))) Spapraliśmy co się dało na tej, to czas spaprać następną :-)
Na szczęście dla nas wszystkich Moarc, Twój światopogląd przestaje się rozpędzać i coraz więcej osób zadaje sobie pytanie czy ta ekspansja ma jakikolwiek sens.
Dla mnie projekty takie jak OS nakłaniają do refleksji nad tą kwestią. Może ogromny dom jest mi nie potrzebny ? Co by było gdyby każdy mógł mieć duży, przestronny ? Czy starczyłoby miejsca dla innych istot niż ludzie ? Z pewnością okaże się, że dobry funkcjonalny design nie ogranicza przestrzeni życiowej człowieka...jedynie ją optymalizuje!! Ilość m2 nie jest wyznacznikiem komfortu habitatu.

A tak na marginesie, chyba przeceniasz obecny rozwój techniki :-)

39. Zal napisał(a):
24 kwietnia 2009, 00:45:31

Pomijając wszelkie komentarze - spoglądam na te zdjęcia i już wiem, co będzie moim kolejnym celem, jak już kupię dom ;D

Toż to jest lepsze, niż własny gabinet w domu.

40. Wojtek Szywalski napisał(a):
24 kwietnia 2009, 09:09:50

Witam Cię Zal na blogu projektu Open-Shelter.

Bardzo trafne spostrzeżenie ;) w końcu to ma być Twoja Osobista Przestrzeń, zauważ proszę, że nie trzeba czekać z tym na "po inwestycji". Jeśli masz tylko kawałek dostępnego "trawnika".

Widzę, że zainteresował Cię temat dlatego zapraszam do czynnego udziału w projekcie, na przykład poprzez konstruktywną krytykę ;)

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